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Post by RedEdgeTrojan on May 5, 2005 9:56:31 GMT -5
I will read and be a member of any board that is dealing with TROY. Can't wait for football season!!
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Post by Hector on May 5, 2005 10:26:06 GMT -5
Nice logo, RedEdgeTrojan! ;D
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Post by troyw on May 5, 2005 10:52:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the invitation to the board. i would like to reply to trojanwar: I think that 'arguing' (I prefer to call it helathy debating) is all part of the message board scene, and is a healthy part of what goes on. However, trojanwar, I think board administrators must be vigilant to see the difference between 'arguing' and personal attacks. It's not that hard to see the difference, actually. It's a matter of what your board policy is. I have seen on gotroytrojans.com more posts by board moderators saying "if the personal attacks don't stop, you will be banned". But, not banning to my knowledge has ever taken place on that site, when there have been clear cut situations to do just that. i am not sure why a specific board administrator is reticent to ban. If I felt it justified (after one appropriate warning), I myself wouldn't hesitate to ban a poster. Trojanwar, you say a message board cannot be controled entirely. Sure it can , especially when it comes to personal attacks. Just ban. It's not rocket science, and it's not hard to do. . I agree only up to a point. When the line is crossed into personal attacks by someone with an anonymous screen name, you don't have to 'dosregard' that, nor should you. Whether a poster is 'well-liked' (or how you even know whether he is 'well-liked', is completely irrelevant. he is free to express his personal opinion, whether popular or not. he is not free to make personal attacks. A board moderator has got to be able to see discern the difference between the two. If he can't, your message board is in danger of degenerating into a joke and an embarrassment to a University. No one wants that to happen, but it happens when a moderator does not have the will to stop it. OK, I let off enough steam. I hope this board can be a cut about the run-of-the-mill board in terms of civil discourse. I happen to know several people who don't post on other boards because they are afraid to get attacked. Maybe we can get them to post here.Bring them on over! |
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Post by trojanwar on May 5, 2005 12:34:37 GMT -5
Hector, do you participate on any other sports related boards? I think everyone is overreacting by a long shot. I have seen some bad personal attacks by posters that have only posted once or twice and then they were warned that they would be banned. 9 times out of 10 you never see a post from that username again. It's very hard for someone to work full time and moderate a board perfectly. It's darn near impossible. Unless that board is their entire life and I don't think it should be for anyone. Jeff is not making money on the board. It's just a service for Troy fans to come together and discuss all things Troy related. Yes, it can get ugly sometimes. If you plan to participate on a sports related message board, you can't be thin-skinned. That's just a fact.
Let's not beat around the bush here, most of those that decided to move over here or those that started this site were sick of Markus. I think that's a fair statement. I don't agree with 99% of what he says and I've argued with him in many posts, but in the end it was not that big of a deal. You have to realize that the other posters do not always (and rarely do) have the same opinion as he does. Most people are just laughing at his posts when he starts in on someone. If you would just remember that and move on, much distaste could be avoided.
I hope this site does well and I look forward to posting here. I will continue to post at gtt and I hope all of you do as well. We've had some great discussions over there and there is no reason for any of that to stop because of one or two people.
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Post by Hector on May 5, 2005 14:55:01 GMT -5
TrojanWar, let me respond to your reply to my post by commenting on some portions of it:
Yes, several.
I can for sure tell you that based on the personal attcks foisted on my wife and I by a particular poster, I am not overreacting at all. Perhaps if a family member were attacked, you'd feel a bit differently. It's always different then.
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Post by trojanwar on May 5, 2005 15:06:40 GMT -5
OK, I am now very confused. Many made exact reference to some of the attacks from Markus, and now he's being defended and has everything to do with this site. Like I said, I have always just let his comments roll of my back in the end, but this whole deal is nuts. I wish someone would explain this to me a little better.
Oh, and Hector, I do agree with you on personal attacks on you and your family. Don't think I'm in disagreement with you on that. I would probably go a step further than you did and take physical action, but that's just me. I respect you for having more self control.
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Post by Hector on May 5, 2005 15:24:09 GMT -5
Thanks, TrojanWar. I appreciate your words on that. But since as you acknowledge , that attack poster was so far over the top, why didn't board administrators ban him? Again, if their is any such thing as a personal attack, it was that. It's almost like moderators are afraid to ban someone for fear of pissing someone off. That policy can ruin a message board.
On Markus, people got excitied on both sides. But, i honestly didn't see Markus make any over the top personal attacks (assuming I didn't miss any that were deleted, which I doubt). I can't see us piling on Markus, when posters like Red Wave are allowed to roam without criticism. I guess that part of my discouragement with gotroytrojans.com is that when a personal attack does happen, there seems to be very little outrage among the rank and file. It's a message board,m not a tag team match. Let's keep it civil.
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Post by Gordeaux on May 5, 2005 21:16:40 GMT -5
Your mom is fat.
Your kids are ugly.
Your wife is a lousy cook.
You have poor personal hygene
Now seriously, folks. Unlesss someone undertakes physical, monetary or otherwise legally actionable harm against someone ,who cares what is said on a stupid message board? It is not exactly like putting a one pager in the NY Times (or Pine Level News) that says your sweetheart sleeps with cattle. Say whatever you want. None of my family, co-workers, social aquaintances, little league coaches, pastors etc etc would put any stock an anything they read on a college sports fan site.
Hell, while we are at it why don't we start a forum on here for "The Most Salacious Post" to keep ourselves entertained until football season.
If you can't sleep at night after reading the tripe on here and Brand-X's board then you may need to seek some counseling.
Now how about more chicks in hot cheerleading outfits!!
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Post by SoFlaTrojan on May 5, 2005 22:29:11 GMT -5
I have many times felt bad for Hector when he and his wife were attacked. That should not be allowed, but moderators don't have unlimited time to scan all posts. Perhaps a number of moderators should be created.
The solution to nasty attacks would be to require real names by posters. Stand by what you say or don't say it.
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Post by Hector on May 6, 2005 8:35:50 GMT -5
Exactly, Bob. I think the worst thing about these attackers is that they are gutless. They know who you are. but they themselves hide behind anonymous screen names. Personally, I think these posters should be identified, and outted publically on the board. They come to games, and tell some people who they are. Not hard to put it together, really. You out them, and the attacks will stop, I guarantee.
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